I Updated My HD Truck HP/Torque Graphs

"Jcarr" (jcarr) 07/18/2016 at 13:18 • Filed to: Numbers

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With !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! that Ford has released its 2017 Power Stroke numbers (440/925!) I figured I’d update the graphs I made for !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! a while back.

Long live the power wars!

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:25

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Wow that ford is hideous. Why do the fender flares have fender flares?

Jcarr > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:26

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Because opulence.

deprecated account > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:26

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we need to go deeper.

CRider > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:30

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Because when you have more torque than a Bugatti, you need big flares. So much flares.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > CRider 07/18/2016 at 13:31

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The Bugatti is more tasteful.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > deprecated account 07/18/2016 at 13:31

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derper*

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:32

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Opulance on a dually pickup truck? Doin it rong

CRider > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:34

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But when you drive the Ford into a lake, there’s usually a boat involved, not a pelican.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:37

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What happened in 2011? All 3 make the biggest jump in torque numbers there.

Also, should we start a pool? Who hits 1000 ft-lbs first?

Opposite Locksmith > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:40

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Thought those were dyno figures and whispered the fuck to myself

bhtooefr > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/18/2016 at 13:40

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2011 is when Ford launched a new, larger displacement engine family, with a more modern emissions control strategy. It’s also when GM added modern emissions controls to their own engine.

I’m not sure what Cummins actually did, but they felt they had to respond, so they did.

BringBackTheCommodore > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:42

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Presuming you’re referring to the dually fenders, it’s been a long-running Ford tradition now:

1987:

1997:

2007:

2017 is just a continuation. Exaggerated, yes; merely a continuation though.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:47

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Muffin tops are in?

LongbowMkII > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 13:48

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This is 21st century murica.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:49

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Its been a while since the Dmax has been updated so we’ll see how the waggle plays out there. That being said, Ford has been all over the map in recent years for reliability of their engines and even if the new engines are amazing, GM and Ram staying the course with incremental improvements on a base engine have paid dividends in converts I would imagine.

Jcarr > HammerheadFistpunch 07/18/2016 at 13:52

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I agree. I do seem to hear nostalgia for the old 7.3 fairly often, but not the same for the old Chevy 6.5 or Cummins 5.9.

jimz > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/18/2016 at 13:52

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What happened in 2011? All 3 make the biggest jump in torque numbers there.

new transmissions which could handle the torque. GM struck first with an uprated 6-speed Allison, then Ford launched the 6R140, and Chrysler beefed up the 68RFE. then later started buying a heavy-duty trans from Aisin.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 13:53

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Well the be fair, the old 6.5 was a turd, but the 5.9? That’s a reverenced engine, the 12v 6bt is GOLD for the aftermarket and for people looking for a bombproof truck.

Probenja > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 14:00

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At this rate the Ford pick up will actually catch up to the Ford Truck:

420 hp and 1400 ft-lb of Torque

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 14:04

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Yo Dawg intesifies

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > HammerheadFistpunch 07/18/2016 at 14:11

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With the exception of early turbo failures on the 2011's, the 6.7 has been pretty solid. Then there is the Torqueshift, which makes the Allison seem weak. If this is as solid as the 6.7 has become, this will be the answer to the question of which truck.

The Cummins recently hasn’t been what they used to have been, and the Duramax, yeah. As we said in diesel school, “If you want an all rounder, get a Powerstroke. If you want a long hauler, get a Cummins. If you want your daddy to buy you a diesel, get a Duramax."

Milky > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 14:15

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I really shouldn’t be surprised that Ford is still putting fenders over fenders for duallies. Looks real cheap. But come on Cummins, just hit 1000lbft for your next update.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Probenja 07/18/2016 at 14:46

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South American semis look badass.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 14:47

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My god that truck is a design nightmare. SQUARES wait we need to be softer to attract all types of people so SQUARES AND RADIUSED CURVES

samssun > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/18/2016 at 14:57

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Let’s hear how you plan to contain 925 lbs-ft without flares on your flares.

samssun > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 15:00

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I was just looking at chips for the PowerStroke, good for 90hp and 170lbs-ft. For pretty minimal cost Ford can just add 25hp / 50lbs-ft every year throughout the model run, and if they’re really upgrading the drivetrain each time, even better.

Probenja > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/18/2016 at 15:03

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They are made in Brazil and Turkey, their whole lineup looks angry now:

Nibbles > bhtooefr 07/18/2016 at 15:07

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What did Cummins do? Nothing. Dodge made their transmissions capable of handling more torque, so they bumped the bottleneck a bit. The only thing keeping the Cummins engine from hitting that 1k mark is the transmission behind it :)

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Probenja 07/18/2016 at 15:14

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I have the suspicion that they’re somehow still related to those ^

nermal > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 15:19

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I’d be curious to see actual power output in each gear vs advertised. From my understanding they are all using torque management to limit power in the first few gears in order to prevent stuff from breaking.

Probenja > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/18/2016 at 15:22

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Oh totally! Just look at the interior of the entry level one:

Straight out of the 80's

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 15:32

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Looks like the Duramax is about due for it’s jump.

Wonder how much it’ll get...

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/18/2016 at 15:35

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Funny how Allison seems to follow the path of GM’s transmissions even though it isn’t actually produced “in-house”.

Ie, it’s a good transmission that could easily be a great transmission but some key components were cheaped out on... looking at you 4l60e

Jcarr > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/18/2016 at 15:40

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They haven’t really seemed interested in the crown, so I’m going to guess somewhere around 900.

jimz > HammerheadFistpunch 07/18/2016 at 15:43

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That being said, Ford has been all over the map in recent years for reliability of their engines

the bad ones were the last two Navistar-made engines, the 6.0 (aka VT365) and 6.4 (aka Maxxforce 7) Powerstrokes. there were a few reasons for their suckitude:

1) the 6.0/VT365 was an inherently weaker design than the 7.3 Powerstroke. The 7.3 had 6 head bolts around each cylinder, and due to space constraints the 6.0 cut that down to 4. Plus, the 6.0 switched to “torque-to-yield” (TTY) head bolts.

2) the 6.0 was supposedly rushed in development because Navistar wanted to earn emissions credits for upcoming tightening of standards

3) Ford’s demands for higher horsepower ratings to compete with the Duramax pushed the output to around 60-80 hp higher than any application used in Navistar’s own trucks. So a weaker engine design was pushed pretty hard. Due to 1, 2, and 3 head gasket failures were fairly common.

4) Both the 6.0 and 6.4 were crammed so tightly into the truck’s engine bay that any major top-end work (like the aforementioned head gaskets) were more easily done by first lifting the cab off of the frame.

5) the 6.4 suffered from a water pump which was prone to cavitation. That cavitation would eventually erode away the front cover and dump coolant into the crankcase.

6) the 6.4 also had some screw-ups with the calibration (Ford’s) which caused the infamous flaming exhaust during DPF regeneration, and oil growth from the extra fuel making its way into the crankcase. Both engines were known for turbo failures, but I don’t remember which was worse.

The 6.7 Powerstroke is an in-house Ford design with a lot of help from Ford of Europe (who knows diesels) and AVL. it goes back to 6 head bolts around each cylinder.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 15:44

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That said... they’re always already pretty damn quick for trucks (though I’m sure the PS/Cummins are too) and have always responded well to tuning. So maybe they don’t need to.

jimz > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 15:46

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the GM 6.5 was an old indirect-injection design and was fairly gutless even with turbocharging. plus the electronically controlled Stanadyne DS4 injection pump was known for killing the pump-mounted control module.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/18/2016 at 15:48

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New ones aren’t as bad, but the Torqueshift is just a beast. There are 800whp trucks with no telling how much torque running stock ones.

jimz > nermal 07/18/2016 at 15:48

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pretty much all turbo engines do that now. remember when the EcoBoost V6 came out and people marveled at it’s literally ruler-flat torque curve? The engine management deliberately did that to protect the transaxle; the 6F55 had an input-torque limit of about 365 lb-ft.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/18/2016 at 15:51

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Yeah. As a GM fan, I have to say there’s nfw that’s happening on a stock GM tranny and in the Allison it probably won’t be happening long. Though by popular report (once again like the 4L60) some will take high HP almost indefinitely, and others will take a gnat’s fart over stock before catastrophic failure.

Sweet Trav > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/18/2016 at 16:52

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Indeed.

Rock Bottom > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/18/2016 at 19:53

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I wonder if they’re sitting at a transmission or rear axle torque limit?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Rock Bottom 07/18/2016 at 21:38

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Technically, I don’t think they’re at either. The rear end should be tough enough, and the Allison is a few simple upgrades from handling more power/torque.

wafflesnfalafel > Jcarr 07/18/2016 at 22:53

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that new grill looks a lot better on a white truck

bryan40oop > Nibbles 07/20/2016 at 17:53

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That can be said for ford and GM too.